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Superglue and Climbing

PrincessFingers

30-Mar-2005
4:01:59 PM

I was watching a doco about a climber, forgive me I can't remember his name. During the film he used superglue on his hands, palms to be correct, to close minor cuts.

Has anyone else done or heard of this?


rodw

30-Mar-2005
4:11:19 PM

Yep works well.


IdratherbeclimbingM9

30-Mar-2005
4:12:57 PM

Dalai said;

http://www.chockstone.org/Forum/Forum.asp?Action=Display&ForumID=1&MessageID=1858&Replies=1

Superglue works a treat...

dalai

30-Mar-2005
4:13:47 PM

Ditto Rods comment. Do a search on Superglue and you will find a couple of topics which stray onto the use of superglue.

(too slow - M8 is on the job)


LittleMac

30-Mar-2005
4:14:05 PM

I used to do it all the time when I did a lot of waterskiing for cuts on my feet. When I started climbing I started doing it to my hands and it works really well. Doctors are using it more and more in place of stitches as the scars left behind are often less.

Works good for me, as with all good pieces of advice, If pain persists, please see a doctor.


steph

30-Mar-2005
4:19:14 PM

forgive me if theres a certain fear of putting iron-strong glue into cuts on my hands. by the sound of it it works well but i think i need some reassurance from those who've used it - does it peel off your skin when healed? anyone had accidents glueing themselves together or to other things? can u use it on really raw ripped flappers to be able to climb on them? i'd like to try it but i don't think im totally game as yet...

dalai

30-Mar-2005
4:21:28 PM

Works a treat. Apply liberal quantities in and around the flapper then use another finger (preferably on the other hand) and apply pressure on the flapper until dry.

(please don't try this at home kids. These stunts are performed by trained professionals)

Seriously - add a small amount of glue in the cut (stings), allow to dry without touching ANYTHING. In cuts usually it allows you to climb for the day until it usually gives way on one side, which allows air into the wound overnight. Best to use tape after gluing if a flapper.

Best to toughen up the hand to avoid using the glue instead. But used in moderation glue is a value tool in the climbers toolkit.


LittleMac

30-Mar-2005
4:29:58 PM

On 30/03/2005 steph wrote:
>forgive me if theres a certain fear of putting iron-strong glue into cuts
>on my hands. by the sound of it it works well but i think i need some
>reassurance from those who've used it - does it peel off your skin when
>healed? anyone had accidents glueing themselves together or to other things?
>can u use it on really raw ripped flappers to be able to climb on them?
>i'd like to try it but i don't think im totally game as yet...

If youve got a flapper (like a slice of skin hanging about) the skin tends to heal underneath and the top bit often falls off after, but the top bit provides like the worlds best band aid till then.

If you've got a legitamite cut (slice) apply glue over the top (not in) and push the edges together until the glue drys, hey presto no more cut.

It's really important if your going to do this that you do it straght away after the cut because just like stitches, if you leave it to long all the bad stuff gets in and you need to leave it open.

Just try it out on sabu first, I'm sure he won't mind.

Happy Glueing.

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steph

30-Mar-2005
4:32:19 PM

On 30/03/2005 dalai wrote:
>>(please don't try this at home kids. These stunts are performed by trained
>professionals)
>
>Seriously - add a small amount of glue in the cut (stings), allow to dry
>without touching ANYTHING. In cuts usually it allows you to climb for the
>day until it usually gives way on one side, which allows air into the wound
>overnight. Best to use tape after gluing if a flapper.

ewwww scary..... i think i'll just work on these calloused yet beautiful hands of mine and avoid the stinging, sticking, painful act of glueing. thanx anyway.


nmonteith

30-Mar-2005
4:36:50 PM

"99 cents to success!" - my secret for ticking Terror of the Sea at The Tower. It involved hideous crimp matching which wore away my tips very quickly.

rightarmbad

30-Mar-2005
11:18:38 PM

Where did my post go? It was there before.

Ronny

31-Mar-2005
5:43:00 PM

Its good for more than just flappers. When you've worn your tips raw, you can use glue to stick tape on them, and climb all day. just use a single piece of tape glued on to the nail, and the tip, and then back on to the nail.
Also can be used to fill gouges in tips from crystals.

I've never had a problem with it being difficult to get off, although I did hear from someone that supergule as such isn't the best, because its toxic, but that ideally you should use 'crazy gule' which is apparently the stuff that was developed for use in vietnam instead of stitches...
but that could be crap...
James

dalai

31-Mar-2005
5:53:45 PM

@James. I was told that one also when I first started using when in the States in '95. But I compared the ingredients list for Crazy glue and Superglue - there was no difference...

I haven't seen crazy glue for sale in Australia either.


IdratherbeclimbingM9

1-Apr-2005
10:09:07 AM

Could not find its address to link it so have taken the liberty of copying. [thanks Hex :)]

On 30/03/2005 HEX wrote:
>--------------------------------
>OK all you am-ett-ers :
>
>'...Superglue Stitches
>Handy home and emergency alternative to sutures
>For years midwives have been using over-the-counter superglue to "suture"
>perineal tears after birth. It's better than stitches. Veteran backpackers
>have been known to pack a tiny tube of super glue for emergency repairs
>of deep cuts in places where there is no doctor.
>
>Superglue is ethyl-cyanoacrylate. While fine for small cuts, it has several
>weaknesses when used as a substitute for heavy-duty suturing. An improved
>version, butyl-cyanoacrylate was developed for heavier surgical repairs,
>and this stuff was used widely in the Vietnam War to patch up soldiers
>in the field. Butyl-cyanoacrylate is a little more flexible on a wound
>than commercial superglue, generates fewer toxic byproducts, and is now
>commonly used by vets to repair animal wounds. You can buy the stuff as
>3M Vetbond. This is also what midwives have started using.
>
>In 2000, the FDA approved a new version of tissue adhesive for human use,
>sold as Dermabond. This new composition, octyl-cyanoacrylate, is a longer
>chain, still more flexible, and possess the yet-unexplained ability to
>inhibit bacterial growth -- a godsend in surgery. It's strong enough that
>it will likely replace a lot of suturing altogether someday. Small quantities
>of octyl-cyanoacrylate are sold to non-medicals for "research purposes"
>-- it's the genuine stuff, only in dispensers that aren't sterilized, and
>therefore not approved for human use (only animal use).
>
>To use any cyanoacrylate on a wound, keep it on the surface layer of skin,
>not down in the well of the wound - imagine you are taping the top of the
>wound together. The glue sloughs off by itself in time.
>
>Despite all the improvements of cyanoacrylate, small amounts of hardware
>store superglue will work in a pinch. I know a physician who uses ordinary
>superglue at home on his kid's cuts. A vial of Vetbond would be even better.
>It's dyed blue so you can easily see where it is on the skin and where
>it is not, and it is made for cuts...'
>
>Luv Dr HEX ...
>-----------------------------


Rich

3-Apr-2005
6:01:32 PM

i used it in thailand when after slicing a hole in my finger on a mollusce (sp?) (perils of DWS!), chucked some superglue on and no worries at all! however i found if you put more than a thin layer on then it has a tendency to crack quite easily.
i'd be interested in knowing more about the toxicity of it tho..


cheesehead

5-Apr-2005
3:12:50 AM

>i'd be interested in knowing more about the toxicity of it tho..

Well, compared with Amphetimenes, antibiotics, television, microwaves and stupidity, I suspect the relative toxicity is negeligible.
Superlglue is my new grit-stone ally. It is the way of Force. I even use it as a preventative - grit wears through your fingers, rather than causing peelers. I usualy tape and/or glue my tips first. This has usually worn through by the time I'm warmed up, so i have as much real skin left when it's most needed.


runnit

4-May-2005
12:43:17 PM

I just had a quick skim over 3M's MSDSs (off their web page) for Vetbond and their superglue and didn't notice any difference

When you're treating flappers, do people just use it once until the glue peels off or do you keep reapplying it until the new skin toughens up or knits over?

Rocky

4-May-2005
2:30:10 PM

Another good way to fix up blisters, cuts, etc is to put methylated spirits on them. it stings like hell, but it makes the skin tougher in the long term and blisters dont hurt, they will just peel off. i used to do it when i did gymnastics, youd get blisters from swinging heaps on the high bar and the methylated spirits meant you could train the next day.
its not been scientifically proven, but it worked for me and my mates.
each to his/her own i guess.

climbingjac

4-May-2005
5:08:34 PM

This putting superglue against raw flesh thing is freaking me out! Yukky!

I use "Blistex". It works well to speed up the healing process, and seems less weird than glueing myself together.


Mike TS

4-May-2005
9:40:09 PM

Is the next stage to use Superglue instead of chalk to improve grip on the rock?

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