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Fixed gear guidelines in the Grampians 13-May-2018 At 2:13:49 PM Olbert
On 13-May-2018 dalai wrote:
>On 13-May-2018 Wendy wrote:
>> Chopping his bolts at Keira dd not stop him moving on to do it
>>again. So what's the next answer if he does it again? Is this where threatening
>>legal action through pv could apply?
>No, it didn't stop him adding a lower off to an old existing route now
>at Camels. He suggested the chopping at Mt Keira was done by one person
>with a grudge so doesn't seem to think he did anything wrong there!

I can attest there was no grudge. The closest I came to meeting the dude was when I wandered underneath him when he was doing some (retro)bolting at Mt Kiera on the Brigetta wall. At that stage I wasn't aware of his work and didn't talk to him. The only reason I would have a grudge would be because of his rampant retro-bolting.

I had issue with lots of the bolts he placed (not all) but only actually pulled his bolts from the one route directly above the walking track. The reason for this was because the bolts stuck out like a sore thumb on a well used tourist track and required the belayer to be standing on the walking track. Further - the route was worthless - even by Mt Kiera standards.

I'm disappointed to hear top-roping bolts are back but aren't a local anymore so I won't be going and chopping them anytime soon. Although the top-roping bolts largely address the bolt-visibility issue, it does not address the belayer-standing-on-walking-track issue.

I really do think there is a chance that the rangers will ban climbing at Mt Kiera if this sort of behaviour becomes the norm. If they get a complaint from a walker who has to walk around a belayer, it could be the knee jerk reaction. People sure do love to complain about the mountain bikers...

Back on-topic, Dalai, I can really sympathise with you over the 'discussions' you've been having. Arguing with him is like arguing with a stubborn self-righteous teenager. You go round and round in circles and he never actually addresses your real point but somehow he thinks he's got the moral highground.

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