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Fixed gear guidelines in the Grampians 13-May-2018 At 11:57:15 AM dalai

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On 13-May-2018 Wendy wrote:

>They already are involved! See Tracey's post. At least if we are referring
>noncompliant climbers to PV, we are demonstrating that the majority of
>climbers are self regulating and we do acknowledge climbers behaviours
>that have excessive impact on the park.

Already aware but as yet no official action undertaken by PV rangers. As mentioned by armstp, most likely and easiest approach will be to just ban rather than fine if they are approached and forced to play their hand!

> Chopping his bolts at Keira dd not stop him moving on to do it
>again. So what's the next answer if he does it again? Is this where threatening
>legal action through pv could apply?

No, it didn't stop him adding a lower off to an old existing route now at Camels. He suggested the chopping at Mt Keira was done by one person with a grudge so doesn't seem to think he did anything wrong there!

But if we all quickly take note of such retrobolts and make a stand for each area we climb in, surely people like this will hopefully finally get the message?

I still stand by the slippery slope argument - Mt Arapiles as prime evidence! One of the most perfect predominately trad climbing venues in the world where bolts were placed only when trad gear wasn't available. Now it is covered in multiplying loweroffs and many new bolts!