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RIP Dean Potter & Graham Hunt

ajfclark
18-May-2015
7:48:05 AM
I don't normally copy the text of an article like this, but climbing.com seems to be struggling with the volume of requests at the moment. Text from www.climbing.com/news/dean-potter-killed-in-base-jump/

Dean Potter and a wingsuit flying partner have died after a BASE jump in Yosemite National Park went badly wrong. The two men are believed to have flown from Glacier Point.
More details will be provided as they become available.

Potter, 43, was one of the most innovative, energizing, and controversial figures in modern climbing. He broke barriers in speed and solo climbing, including repeatedly setting the speed record for the Nose of El Capitan, climbing with Timmy O'Neill or the late Sean "Stanley" Leary. In 2001, he and O'Neill became the first climbers to link Yosemite's three biggest walls—Half Dome, Mt. Watkins, and El Capitan—in a single day. He also speed-soloed Half Dome and El Capitan in a day. In Patagonia, among many other bold climbs, he free-soloed Supercanaleta on Fitz Roy and later did the first ascent of California Roulette, also free solo, on Fitz Roy.

Potter also became famous for bold high-line walks and BASE jumping, and he combined these skills with climbing in an invented sport: FreeBASE, in which he wore a parachute for protection in case he fell from a solo climb. Using this technique he free-soloed the long 5.12+ route Deep Blue Sea on a limestone pillar on the right side of the Eiger north face.

In 2006, his solo ascent of Delicate Arch in Arches National Park caused a storm of controversy and led to the loss of his sponsorship from Patagonia. More recently, the film When Dogs Fly featured Potter's tandem wingsuit flights with his Queensland heeler, Whisper, an activity that left some viewers in awe and others in anger.

Standing 6 feet 5 inches tall, but always speaking softly, Potter was a larger-than-life figure who fully lived up to the much-overused term "extreme sports athlete."

Miguel75
18-May-2015
9:17:13 AM
Sad news. My thoughts go out to their family and friends...
bentobox
18-May-2015
10:08:23 AM
I'm not sure why but this just doesn't seem … right?

First its reported from Yosemite, then from Utah, then from Yosemite. Then one article is a copy pasted one of another climber dying a year ago.

Weird.







ajfclark
18-May-2015
10:14:55 AM
Details are pretty thin and mostly word fo mouth/social media/Chinese whispers.
bentobox
18-May-2015
10:22:57 AM
Credit to the ski/mountaineering community, they can dig someone up from 10m of Avalanche debris in remote Patagonia and still identify and report everything correctly within 24 hours. I feel like a famous climber in the most popular park would be hugely reported on.

shortman
18-May-2015
10:23:48 AM
On 18/05/2015 Miguel75 wrote:
>Sad news. My thoughts go out to their family and friends...

And Whisper....for all his knockers, Potter was very inspiring.

ajfclark
18-May-2015
10:51:17 AM
I imagine there's also a bit of a hurry in case someone has survived with an avalanche. Probably not so much of a rush when a BASE jump goes wrong from a 900m cliff...

ajfclark
18-May-2015
1:59:15 PM
More http://www.rockandice.com/lates-news/dean-potter-killed-in-wingsuit-accident-in-yosemite
Free spirit and free soloist Dean Potter, 43, died yesterday evening, May 16, when he and Graham Hunt, 29, attempted a wingsuit jump off of Taft Point in Yosemite Valley. Hunt was also killed.

Potter and Hunt jumped from the promontory overlooking the Valley then failed to respond to a friend's radio calls and did not appear at a predetermined meeting point. They were found Sunday morning by a police helicopter. Neither Potter nor Hunt had deployed their parachutes. The cause of the accident is pending an investigation.

Dean Potter was one of climbing most spiritual practitioners, doing what felt right rather than what would earn him more money or fame, although he earned the latter in abundance, his lanky unkempt person always drawing onlookers. Potter said that his three "arts" were climbing, wingsuit flying and slacklining. He excelled in all. He set the Nose speed record, made the first free solo of the Alien Roof on the Rostrum—he wore a parachute, "Free BASEing, the climb, as he called it—and slacklined the the Lost Arrow. An all-around athlete, Potter only last week set a new record for getting to the top of Half Dome and back down in 2:17:52, soloing Snake Dike (5.7) along the way.

Whatever Potter did, he did it his way and was troubled by watching the sport of climbing go from being a gang of rebels and even misfits who did their thing, flaunting conformity and regulation to err on the wild side, to a bunch of what he saw as clean-cut Wheaties-box athletes. "This homogenization of the Outdoor Industry has lasting ramifications," he told me last fall after he was fired as a sponsored athlete by Clif Bar for what he said was engaging in high-risk activities such as soloing and BASE jumping. "Outdoor Arts are beyond sport and for many of us it’s our spirituality. The wilderness is infinite in what it offers. Shouldn’t we question when the leaders of our community try to manipulate our culture into a monocrop?

"We are the last of the Wild. If we keep excluding the next most-wild-creature, sooner or later there will be nothing left."

Imaclawfan
18-May-2015
2:05:35 PM

...WINGSUIT WITH DOG ...

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/18/extreme-athlete-dean-potter-among-two-killed-base-jumping-in-yosemite

ajfclark
18-May-2015
2:28:33 PM
The dog is fine.

More: http://www.outsideonline.com/1981591/dean-potter-killed-base-jumping-accident
On Saturday evening, May 16, BASE jumpers Dean Potter and Graham Hunt died after attempting a wingsuit flight from Taft Point, a 7,500-foot promontory that overlooks Yosemite Valley and El Capitan.

Potter has been a fixture on the climbing and BASE-jumping scene in Yosemite since the late 1990s. According to Yosemite chief of staff Mike Gauthier, the pair made the jump late Saturday. Their spotter heard two sounds that could have been impacts or could have been the noises made by parachutes snapping open. She followed standard protocols, first trying to reach the pair by radio, with no luck, and then moving to a predetermined meeting place. “They were optimistic, thinking that the men might have been arrested,” says Gauthier. BASE jumping is illegal in Yosemite National Park.

Yosemite Search and Rescue (YOSAR) initiated a hasty search, but the rangers were unable to locate the pair overnight. Potter and Hunt had been attempting to fly along terrain that required them to clear a notch in a rocky ridgeline. “It’s kind of a trickier flight to go through this notch,” Gauthier says. On Sunday morning, a state police helicopter was able to spot both bodies from the air. No parachutes had been deployed. Two rangers were then airlifted to the site to perform the recovery.

Survivors include Potter’s girlfriend Jennifer Rapp and his dog, Whisper, a blue heeler who has played a prominent role in Potter’s adventure life for the past few years.

Potter first came to prominence in Yosemite in the late nineties, when he began making bold solo and free-solo ascents of many of the park’s classic rock routes. By the middle oughts, he’d elevated slacklining—tightrope walking on a piece of webbing—to an extreme art form, making safe crossings of such notable features as Lost Arrow Spire, in Yosemite, and the Three Gossips feature in Arches National Park. Many times he’d make these crossings with no safety tether.

Potter came under fire in 2006 after he free soloed Delicate Arch, in Arches National Park, a sandstone feature that appears on Utah license plates. After the Delicate Arch climb, sponsor Patagonia dropped both Potter and his wife at the time, climber and BASE jumper Steph Davis. Potter always maintained that the ascent was both lawful and respectful. “I was just climbing a beautiful rock that hadn’t been free climbed before,” he told me in February.

Potter continued to innovate in the world of extreme sports. In 2008, he climbed the 5.12 Deep Blue Sea route on the north face of Switzerland’s 13,020-foot Eiger with only a parachute on his back. He dubbed the sport free-basing. He also began crossing highlines using a parachute for safety.

Last year Potter and Rapp produced a film called When Dogs Fly that chronicled Potter’s adventures BASE jumping with his dog, Whisper. The eventual footage of Whisper, wearing goggles and cinched between Potter’s back and his parachute pack, became an online sensation, though some people worried about Whisper’s safety.

Potter was 43.

Drake
18-May-2015
5:57:30 PM
For those that are interested, the New York Times piece is among the best I've read on this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/18/sports/dean-potter-extreme-climber-dies-in-jumping-accident-at-yosemite.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

Miguel75
18-May-2015
7:15:27 PM
On 18/05/2015 bentobox wrote:
>Credit to the ski/mountaineering community, they can dig someone up from
>10m of Avalanche debris in remote Patagonia and still identify and report
>everything correctly within 24 hours. I feel like a famous climber in the
>most popular park would be hugely reported on.


I don't mean to sound harsh but outside of the wing suit/high-line/climbing world, his death is just one of many, though I reckon the media circus may yet begin. He was, by all accounts, a pretty amazing individual and it's sad to see someone pass in their prime, especially as he was a father to young kids...

ajfclark
18-May-2015
8:47:30 PM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-18/extreme-adventurer-dean-potter-dies-in-base-jumping-accident/6478980

ajfclark
19-May-2015
12:06:37 PM
This is a nice piece: http://www.alpinist.com/doc/web15s/newswire-memories-of-dean-potter
kieranl
19-May-2015
4:31:58 PM
On 18/05/2015 bentobox wrote:
>I'm not sure why but this just doesn't seem … right?
>
>First its reported from Yosemite, then from Utah, then from Yosemite.
>Then one article is a copy pasted one of another climber dying a year ago.
>
>Weird.
>

I still don't get this comment. What seemed weird? Let's look at the (rough) timelines.

The accident happened Saturday evening in Yosemite. that's about midday Sunday here. The bodies weren't found until Sunday morning, say 12-15 hours later. Very early Monday morning here.
Remember that noone saw the accident, they had gone out of sight of their ground-crew, so until that time they're just missing, it's mostly nighttime and the people who know what's happening, the people in Yosemite who all knew Potter, aren't going to be speculating online.
So by the time (10am ish ) that bentobox is calling it weird, it's only a few hours after the bodies are located and recovered by the Park service.

Expecting detailed information so soon after the accident is simply unrealistic. Fragmented reporting on the net is just what I'd expect.

citationx
19-May-2015
9:53:55 PM
On 19/05/2015 kieranl wrote:
>On 18/05/2015 bentobox wrote:

>
>I still don't get this comment. What seemed weird? Let's look at the (rough)
>timelines.
>

He was probably just trying to be the first to call it a hoax so that if it was he got all the kudos.
bentobox
19-May-2015
11:10:01 PM
I wish it was a hoax!

What was "weird" was that there were definitely Instagram MEMORIALS being posted left right and centre by a lot of people in the climbing community (companies, other climbers, publications) and there wasn't a single solid detail anywhere.

Just seemed like a massive digital chinese whisper.

Especially when compared to, say for example, JP Auclair and Andreas Franson (two skiers) and Liz Daley (snowboarder) dying in seperate avalanches in Patagonia on the same day. There was so much detail, everyone knew what happened, THEN the eulogies and memorials started.

ANYWAY. It was just strange.

Don't mind me and my lack of trust in the Internet.


shortman
20-May-2015
8:18:56 AM
On 19/05/2015 bentobox wrote:
>I wish it was a hoax!
>
> and there wasn't a single solid
>detail anywhere.
>

Probably never will be.
kieranl
20-May-2015
9:32:02 AM
On 19/05/2015 bentobox wrote:
>I wish it was a hoax!
>
>What was "weird" was that there were definitely Instagram MEMORIALS being
>posted left right and centre by a lot of people in the climbing community
>(companies, other climbers, publications) and there wasn't a single solid
>detail anywhere.
>
>Just seemed like a massive digital chinese whisper.
>
>Especially when compared to, say for example, JP Auclair and Andreas Franson
>(two skiers) and Liz Daley (snowboarder) dying in seperate avalanches
>in Patagonia on the same day. There was so much detail, everyone knew what
>happened, THEN the eulogies and memorials started.
>
>ANYWAY. It was just strange.
>
>Don't mind me and my lack of trust in the Internet.
>
>

The fundamental difference between the skiing/snowboard and Potter and Hunt deaths is that the wingsuit accidents weren't observed. There were others at the sites of the ski/snowboard deaths so there was a lot of detail available.

I don't do instagram or twitter but what you describe sounds similar to how bad news got around in pre-internet days. There would be phone calls coming and going : "Have you heard?", "Do you know?" until the picture emerged. These days the cycle is much more compressed and intense.

A degree of scepticism is healthy but you have to allow for the tendency to chaos when these accidents happen.

trog
20-May-2015
11:08:46 AM
Looks like footage was recovered to fuel more armchair analysis.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/camera-captured-dean-potters-deadly-base-jump-officials-20150519-gh5iq6.html


RIP

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