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AshSmash

5-Mar-2014
1:10:58 PM

Hi I like rock climbing is there a way to meet you all.

ajfclark

5-Mar-2014
1:18:43 PM

On 5/03/2014 serceina wrote:
>I am required to pick an activity the public uses Parks, state forest or any pubic crown land that impacts the environment.

Public or crown land. The L in public is quite important. :-)

kieranl

5-Mar-2014
2:10:29 PM

I'm a bit puzzled that you haven't been able to find anything. It suggests to me that you haven't tried very hard. But I'll give you a hint :
Have you tried looking at any of the existing park management plans as they will state the legislative frameworks that they are developed under? Grampians might be a good place to look for.
Maybe I'm being a bit harsh but you're a student and this is hardly difficult research.

Eduardo Slabofvic

5-Mar-2014
2:24:09 PM

I am unaware of any piece of legislation that makes a specific reference to rock climbing.

Also note that the acts which you refer to are State Laws, and therefore differ from one State to another. I have some knowledge of Victorian law, but not any other state.

You might like to cast you eye over the following Acts : -
Local Government Act 1989, the Reference Areas Act 1978, the National Parks Act 1975, the Fisheries Act 1995, the Wildlife Act 1975, the Forest Act 1958, the Water Industry Act 1994, the Water Act 1989, the Marine Act 1988, and the Crown Land (Reserves) Act 1978. All are relevant to the carrying out of a use on crown land of one sort or another.

Don't spend too much time on the Crown Lands Act, as the only thing Crown Lands do is issues licenses for things.

What you should look for are management plans for specific areas that may mention rock climbing. These would have been produced by Parks Victoria, so they would only cover those areas managed by Parks. There might be one for the You Yangs, as I have a distant memory of such a thing. No other ones immediately spring to mind, but they might exist. Best bet would be to look for the popular National Parks, such as Wilson Promontory or Buffalo.

To take Arapiles as an example. There is the Mt Arapiles Block Study (can't remember the date). Although that is not a management Plan, it was a feasibility study into establishing accommodation there. There was an earlier one, back in about '86 or '87 thereabouts, but something that old would carry little weight in terms of public policy.

An act would give a public body the authority to prepare a management plan, and would give it the powers to carry out what ever the management recommends, but it wouldn't set out the scope of what the management plan would address, as each individual location would have its own site specific issues, therefore it would be virtually impossible to scope them all in an act.

You might also want to look at Tourism Victoria's tourism plans (assuming you're in Victoria), as that sets out some objectives for national parks separate to Parks Vic. Take note of what it says of Mt Arapiles.

Also, be careful of your definition of "use", because the word "use" when it used in connection with land, is governed by the Planning and Environment 1987, and its subordinate regulation, specifically the Planning Scheme in operation in the area.

Good luck.

ajfclark

5-Mar-2014
2:49:34 PM

On 5/03/2014 Edward Oslabofvic wrote:
>What you should look for are management plans for specific areas that may mention rock climbing. These would have been produced by Parks Victoria, so they would only cover those areas managed by Parks. There might be one for the You Yangs, as I have a distant memory of such a thing. No other ones immediately spring to mind, but they might exist. Best bet would be to look for the popular National Parks, such as Wilson Promontory or Buffalo.
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>To take Arapiles as an example. There is the Mt Arapiles Block Study (can't remember the date). Although that is not a management Plan, it was a feasibility study into establishing accommodation there.

First hit in google for Mount Arapiles Management Plan is from 1991: http://parkweb.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0017/313424/Mount-Arapiles-Tooan-State-Park-Management-Plan.pdf

Third hit is the 1998 management plan: http://parkweb.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/313267/Dergholm-and-Mt-Arapiles-Mgt-Plan.pdf

Justcameron

5-Mar-2014
4:23:40 PM

In SA climbing and abseiling are not permitted in any national park or reserve except in designated areas gazetted for that purpose.

http://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/LZ/C/R/National%20Parks%20and%20Wildlife%20(National%20Parks)%20Regulations%202001.aspx

Duang Daunk

5-Mar-2014
8:32:19 PM

On 5/03/2014 Edward Oslabofvic wrote:
>Don't spend too much time on the Crown Lands Act, as the only thing Crown Lands do is issues licenses for things.

Or say NO, as an outright alternative.

>Good luck.

We are all going to need that.

christophermoore

5-Mar-2014
10:03:29 PM

On 5/03/2014 serceina wrote:
>I very much aspirate everyone’s help

No no, you're meant to read it. Bloody students trying to get high off any old thing...

robin

6-Mar-2014
8:45:15 PM

Interesting topic. As previously stated, there is no specific reference to rock climbing in legislation that I am aware of. There is many acts and regulations that cover activities that could include rock climbing, camping, 4wding etc. Here's a couple to get you started:

National Parks Regulations 2013
r53 covers damage, deface, remove or interfer with rock
r65 - set asided areas where sport or recreation can be banned.
Also covers, camping, campfires, walking tracks etc,

Environmental Protection Act 1970
Not specific to rock climbing by could be applied in certain circumstances. s45 - Litter, which includes just about anything, including fabric (slings & tat), metal etc

Land Conservation (Vehicle Control) regulations 2013
Not specific to rock climbing but could be used where vehicles are taken off road to get to climbing areas.

Aboriginal Heritage Act 2006
s28 Doing an act that is likely to harm Aboriginal Cultural Heritage.

Wildlife Act 1976
This would cover disturbing wildlife eg Peregrine Falcons

Flora and Fauna Guarantee Act 1988
This protects threatened species eg Rock Wallabies (see list in schedule 1 or 2?)

For State forest, the Forests Act 1958 covers off on damage to trees, whilst forest regulations cover camping, campfires, organised activites etc. Have a look at the Forests (recreation) regulations.

The Lands Act 1958 generally covers crown land. s199 includes 'cut, dig, remove stone, earth etc.

Loz and Tim

6-Mar-2014
10:01:19 PM

Forestry Regulation: http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/sessionalview/sessional/sr/2012-681.pdf Part 2, Div 1, Section 8 = dangerous activities banned without a permit.

Plenty of National Parks POM have sections on climbing. Here is a local one for us Tomaree NP: http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/resources/parks/tomareeMgmtplan.pdf page 24. Climbing permitted in some areas.

I'm sure there are many more.

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